Discussion in 'Album Chat' started by SlowCrates, Feb 1, 2020.
Never Ending Summer
Golden Sunlight. Not even close
India Ink’s my favorite off of the 12-track. I loved it when it first came out (back when I could tolerate Uplifter all the way through) and still enjoy it quite a bit today....it’s always got a place in my heart. Sick instrumental and I like Nick on it way more than the majority of Uplifter. Then it’s pretty close between Golden Sunlight and Jackpot for the 12-track.
Never Ending Summer’s very average to me.
I like India Ink the most, but Golden Sunlight is probably the "better" song.
I am super torn. Both are probably my 2 and 3 off Uplifter.
Like skiing said, GS is probably a better overall song. But the verses are blah - SA carries the song.
India Ink is so much fun. It's got store brand Blue album swagger.
I guess I'll give it to GS for quality, but I'd rather listen to India Ink.
I picked Never Ending Summer. I don't know if it's the "best song" but I enjoy listening to that one the most at pretty much any time. India Ink is really cool, too, I underrate that one myself but always dig it. Golden Sunlight is a well written song and a little unique for 311, but I don't find myself going back to it. I have to be in the right mood or it has to be the right time of year for it or something. SA's part, though, is fantastic at any time.
India Ink is a really good song. It's got an exhilarating instrumental, good lyrical topic/focus, and one of Nick's more strident performances ever, I think.
Never Ending Summer just has an exhilarating instrumental and not much else going for it, but is a fun song.
Golden Sunlight's chorus is a bit too maudlin and bland for me. That said, SA's verse in the bridge is one of his best vocal performances, and the guitar work on the verses is one of the more interesting melodic ideas in 311's catalog.
You guys all nailed it perfectly. No need for me to add anything
India Ink for me out of those 3. I have always really liked the chorus. NES has a killer tim solo but that alone can't carry the song...outside of that solo it's just OK. Golden Sunlight is solid as well but a tad over the top, sometimes listening to that song just drains me, it's a bit much....if that makes sense.
This just goes to show how hard and do what lengths we all went to find things about this album to like.
having said that, I would go with uhh, Madonna
The guitar and SA in Golden Sunlight do it for me. India ink is great but lyrically too repetitive for me in this song. Sometimes something that bothers me in one song doesn’t bother me when found in another song. And Never Ending Summer is whatever to me. That album is such a missed opportunity. If there were 20% more lyrical “quality” added to this album it would be fucking great. I don’t mind Bob’s beefy hand up 311s ass. Maybe let Chad out more but it’s the lyrical content that turns me off most with that album.
I def agree, that and the repetitive song structures really kill the album for me. It gets so cycled. And this trope spills plenty into UP.
That’s a huge reason Stereolithic was so great when it dropped. It finally got out of the commonalities I hated between Uplifter and Universal Pulse that spanned over like 5 years. And that it was their best in a decade, too, since Evolver in 03. (a good number of people probably look at it as their first solid album since From Chaos, but I like Evolver enough)
The thing that kills Uplifter for me are the copy and pasted choruses. They're lyrically vague/generic, they have no flow with the verses, and they have that headache inducing wall of noise thing going on. I feel like they wrote and recorded most of the choruses on chorus day, and hoped they'd find a song to squeeze them into.
Evolver is a strange, strange record. It sounds great. The lyrical content on basically every songs aside from Give Me a Call is probably their most consistently mature. It's got good performances, interesting musical ideas, and a cohesive vibe/sound...
...but I never listen to it because something about the whole thing just seems off, but I can't put my finger on what it is.
Didn’t like Evolver on first few listens, then it became a favorite of mine.
The problem with uplifter was the fact that these songs had great parts but they were ruined by cringe choruses or lyrics.
Summed it up best methinks.
that said I voted for NES purely because of the fact I’d rather listen to that at any given time.
Yep. I think Something Out Of Nothing was one of the prime examples of this. I can still dig the song, but that "MAAAAGIIIICCC!" stupid chorus really takes what is otherwise a pretty badass song down a couple of pegs.
Golden Sunlight for sure. Never Ending Summer used to be my favorite from Uplifter but it hasn't really aged with me well. The verse riff still rips though.
its because its called EVOLVER (cause the Hex loves the Beatles “Revolver”) and the album cover is dogshit. Right off the bat, I was turned off. The album from there just tries to turn you back on but the flow is too wonky to ever keep your seatbelt on
My words exactly, my answer^ agreed