Discussion in 'Album Chat' started by jukeboxgroove, Apr 26, 2020.
Easy choice imo. Waiting was at least an exercise in songwriting craft and arguably succeeds in that area regardless of whether someone enjoys it or not.
TTCOF is an exercise in trend chasing. And that’s being generous.
An esteemed MC of this board likes TTCOF more and I'm having a hard time accepting it. Lol
My gut vote is Waiting’s better but it’s still hella bad and actually makes it very close. The only part of that one that I like is “for you I’d wait forever, because I know that one day, we’ll be together.”
TTCOF is at peak level of embarrassment and mainstream pop nonsense, but it does at the very least have energy. Waiting is very draining and puts me to sleep.
I think my least favorite 311 song is still Daisy Cutter. The lyrics are just soooo so bad hahaha. Instrumentally it’s by far better than the other two but I’m a man that favors lyrics usually......it and TTCOF are in the absolute bottom, lyrically. Waiting has the best lyrics.
Those 3 are the trifecta of worst 311 songs imo, each a tough competitor. My gut tells me Daisy Cutter worst, then TTCOF, then Waiting but damn, I just tried to listen to Waiting twice in a row and almost couldn’t. It’s really unpleasant. TTCOF’s probably objectively the worst, but oddly enough I had an easier time listening to it twice than I did the other two. Most probably would say Daisy Cutter’s the best of the 3 but goddamn, the sappy love rockstar theme is awful, mentioning ‘if you heard of my band’, reusing a title of a popular single of yours - Beautiful Disaster - as just a saying, calling it a sweet title and being anything but that, and ending it with a crowd chant.....it’s too much for me, man.
I’d have to do some serious listening again to come up with a firm answer even though I already voted...
If you look at it objectively in terms of songwriting and performance, I would heavily argue against the song being "hella bad". I 100% understand why some 311 fans don't like the song stylistically, but I don't see how someone can call it bad. TTCOF, on the other hand, is BAD.
There is absolutely NOTHING redeeming or endearing about TTCOF
At least Waiting has an ok solo and one drop beat.
Fair enough. But I genuinely am finding it difficult to listen to it more than once, which really says something haha. But it’s not like I’m keeping TTCOF on repeat either.
I guess it’s hard to talk about music in a pure objective sense since music is like the antidote to objectivity. Waiting is definitely a more respectable song than TTCOF, I agree with that, and has much more redeemable aspects. It still doesn’t fit 311 at all imo but I guess if it was done by someone else it would have been something.
That said, would I care to rock out or relax to Waiting? Not at all. And neither with TTCOF, of course. I will stick with Waiting as the better of the two, I don’t see TTCOF changing my mind, but the fact is I reeeally don’t want to listen to either. I just don’t see Waiting as light years better as it stands.
Waiting is actually not a bad song. It's executed atrociously in every way possible, but another band with a better producer could make it a decent jam.
Titty Cough is just... Titty cough.
That instrumental section in Waiting is pretty passable, and the vocal melody that comes in after isn't that bad either. I think if they took another swipe at that song now that it's 15 years on they could make it considerably less corny. There's some redeemable bits buried in there and they can own that, unlike Tiddy Cough which fails on a committee level.
While we're here, what song do you all consist to be there worst? Worst 5?
Born the Live
All recent songs, interestingly enough.
Daisy Cutter is indeed pretty bad but has some redeeming qualities in my eyes too.
3. Good Feeling
4. Daisy Cutter
5. First Straw
That's a solid list of dung
No particular order. TTCOF, Dodging Raindrops, Lucid Dreams,Places, Turtles, Bad Feeling . That's 6 but they're that unlistenable.
I feel like I'm the only one but I never thought Waiting was that bad. It's very poppy but it to me also had a very odd sound to with the vocal harmony between SA and Nick which I always digged. In any case it felt like a pop song they genuinely wanted to make instead of something they made with the idea of it being on the radio.
It's not a great song but it's easily better than songs like ttcof, two drops, my heart sings, good feeling and TMTT which are all much lamer IMO.
They are both very bad songs, but nipz loses big time for many reasons.
In no order (some of which shouldn't factor in a choice between two songs but do):
nipz desperation for a hit feels almost physically upsetting
Waiting was a bad song on a bad album that felt like the end of times for 311. After getting some very good albums, that apocalypse feeling isn't as bad
Boom Shanka gives me some "aww" feelings towards Waiting
nipz officially spelling the lyric as "hammerhead", despite that only referring to the shark. The part of the tool has a definitive space between hammer and head.
Waiting doesn't have a video made up of farmers
DTOM was a bad period for the band, personally and professionally. Waiting was just a crummy byproduct. nipz was made during a fruitful period for the band, so the time they spend shitting it out could have meant some decent b-side instead.`
2005 was one of their best touring years, let's not forget. Shows were intense and setlists never more diverse (excluding possibly '07). So they crapped out a mediocre album; the album was never what they staked their name on.
Fair point. But for the majority of the listening public, the most recent album is what a band is staking their name on because most people don't know what the live experience is like.
That disparity helps explain why .001% of people allows the band to have cruises and own islands, while 99.99% think of them as that rap rock band from the mid-90's.
Top 5 worst songs:
2)Reggae Got Soul