What does a producer do, exactly?

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  1. SlowCrates

    SlowCrates Well-Known Member

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    Are they the ones tracking, layering, mixing, mastering everything? Taking pure, raw instrumentals/tracks/vocals, adding effects, sometimes arranging entire songs with clips that weren't even necessarily made for each other?

    Or are they more of a studio manager? Keeping the guys on task, offering advice, support, even sometimes getting in on the writing process?
     
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    They run the show. They are like what a director is to a movie. Simply put.
     
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    There isn’t a clear answer. It’s best to think of it on a spectrum. On one end, you have Feldmann, who becomes intimately involved in the writing and engineering. On the other, you have Rick Rubin, who lays on the couch and tells the band whether or not he likes what they’re working on.

    Scotch seems to be somewhere in the middle. At the very least, a producer helps guide the band along in their process and provide and outside perspective.
     
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    This
     
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    I am really curious to know what kind of relationship 311 has, and what kind of requirements they have for their producers. From what I've read, a producer is supposed to choose the audio engineer, vocal producer, and studio. 311 comes with a studio. Who is the audio engineer? Who is the vocal producer?

    I can't really imagine 311 putting up with a producer who comes with a whip, or has the attitude that the band members are their subordinates. They've mentioned that Scotch is "chill", and I'm curious what that means between the lines.
     
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    I think a producer typically has their own team of engineers. I doubt 311 uses a vocal producer. You seem to see that more at higher levels of mainstream success. There’s a vid of Nick cutting vocals for India Ink and it’s only Bob Rock and P-Nut in the control room.
     
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    It's pretty evident 311 will put up with it. It's pretty well known it's Feldy's way.
     
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    Producers tell you when it sucks too
     
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    If true, Voyager would have never been released ;)
     
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    Different producer. Feldmann sucks a lot more than Bob. And is also a cheerleader "say positive Nick!! Throw in love your life too!!! And do it in your best Shaggy voice!! Red bulls for all!!"
     
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    Kind of like a coach too I guess
     
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    I meant Voyager as a whole.

    But ok, we'll go with Bob strictly. Uplifter.
     
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    Better than anything Feldturd has even attempted imo
     
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    I can agree to that. Daisy Cutter could be a Feldy track though.
     
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    Yeah, it really depends on the producer. I'd compare it more to a member of the school faculty that you get to choose.

    Some people know they need a tough teacher or they'll slack off, some people don't work well under strict supervision. And there's myriad other variations of band / producer balance.

    You want a great example of what a producer does? Listen to Nevermind, then listen to In Utero. Two different producers, working directly with the band - two very different albums.
     
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    There would be a cheesy, liquid popping sound in the background, and a clap track.
     
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    They help develop the songs, whether it be the tones and layering, recommending ideas, multiple takes, suggesting arrangements. They help guide the vision and make it come to life. In some cases, they do have to be a studio manager, push the guys to start writing/recording, keep them in check. Knowing when to take a break then revisit something.

    Terry Date was like that for White Pony. Said the guys would waste hours playing Tony Hawk Pro Skater. He'd have to reign them back in. He helped push the creative process and was a big believer in what they were creating at that time.
     
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    Part of me thinks that 311 REALLY needs a guy like that in the studio. On the other hand, Nick is already a work horse in general, and I have always gotten the impression that his ego might not vibe well with another "force" in the room. I'm just speculating, of course. For all I know 311 has relied on outside forces more than the average band.
     
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    I think 311 needs guidance creatively more than they need work ethic coaching. They need a producer that gets them and isn't afraid to push their sound. Not change it into something they're not like Feld/Rock did. Saint got them but wouldn't push them. Scotch gets them, wants to push them, but doesn't have enough pull.

    I want them to bring in someone that brings the progressive, space rock out of them while also embracing the chill side. That's why Nick Raskulinecz would be PERFECT
     
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    I didn't know who he was so I looked him up. If Dave Grohl says he's the best rock producer around, I'm in!
     
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