Is it time to remaster the albums?

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  1. ninjames

    ninjames Well-Known Member

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    Soundsystem is sounding pretty weak in my car and headphones... I think the speaker technology has changed to the point where the earlier albums are starting to sound a little bit ....old

    Anyone agree?
     
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  3. SlowCrates

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    I just want them to produce an album with the full compliment of range. I don't care what volume, because I can turn that shit up. In my opinion, they've barely hit the mark on half their albums.

    Here are the release years of the albums I think sound the best, but still sound off next to other modern music.

    1995
    1997
    1999
    2001
    2003
    2009
    2019

    Here are the release years that I think sound pretty bad.

    1993
    1994
    2005
    2011
    2014
    2017

    So why go back and start remastering albums when they still can't get that shit right?

    I would rather they just get it right from now on.
     
  4. MargeInTheLargin

    MargeInTheLargin Well-Known Member

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    Overall, no. And oddly enough, I think Soundsystem is their best sounding album. Maybe your ears are what's getting a little...old.
     
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  5. js311

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    Captain obvious here. It is old. They have always had issues getting a quality sound. Muddy, wall o sound, vocals to high. Overall to quiet. But soundsystem is one of the better .
     
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  6. Tomato-Kun

    Tomato-Kun Well-Known Member

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    Yep. 311 albums are always pretty bad in DR. Funny Voyager is almost identical to Uplifter in DR value.

    http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=311&album=
     
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    I know the sound they were going for was a "warm" tape sound in an era when everything was starting to switch to digital. I think they even recorded on tape until Uplifter. But they brought in Hugh Padgham who produced The Police & XTC(among working with many others), so to kinda have that sound. So maybe that's why it sounds "old".
     
  9. Tomato-Kun

    Tomato-Kun Well-Known Member

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    dynamic range
     
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    SlowCrates Well-Known Member

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    What do the numbers mean? And are the colors supposed to represent good versus bad? What difference does it make when it's lossy, lossless, or vinyl?
     
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    They definitely all sound old. When I shuffle all the music on my phone, 311 comes in sounding quiet. When I turn it up, the quality isn't better, it just makes the next non-311 song destroy my ear drums.
     
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  12. Tomato-Kun

    Tomato-Kun Well-Known Member

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    the numbers are a scale 1 worst - 13+ excellent. Same with the colors red= worst, green= excellent. Vinyl and CD differ because of the format. As far as lossless and lossy, you'll more than likely will get the same value if it's from the same source. I usually ignore lossy readings for obvious reasons. It all has to do with compression of the audio.
     
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    Thanks. Where do the numbers come from? I have zero experience with this stuff, and all of my critiquing of 311's music is based on what I hear with my own ears through average hardware. In my above post I mention albums that I think sound good because the instruments can all be heard and felt. I know what clipping is, I guess, and it makes sense that the louder albums would have a lower "range", but that is oddly not always the case. In fact, some relatively quiet albums also have a low range, right? How does that happen? Are they maxing out the range of each track individually before mastering the album as a whole? Seems backwards if that's how they're doing it.
     
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    You got me there..... fuck, hope not
     
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    I’m just saying... the early albums sounded great in my 90’s Honda.... today in my 2015 car... certain lows are missing .. it’s the speakers that changed not the album
     
  16. Tomato-Kun

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    the numbers come from an audio tool that determines the value. I never really pay much attention to DR values. If it sounds good to me, that's all that matters.

    https://www.musicradar.com/tuition/...standing-dynamic-range-and-compression-574533
     
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  17. Ron Swanson's Mustache

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    You think Mosaic sounds bad?!?!
     
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    Old things sound older than newer things.

    Newer things sound newer than old things.

    Evolver sounds great.

    No.
     
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  19. SlowCrates

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    There's so little bass. When I imagine it with full, bouncing bass my heart breaks a little bit because for some reason they just didn't. It is like a 6.5 out of 10 for me production-wise.
     
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    I dunno, TMTT and Wildfire are extremely bass heavy. And there are a lot of moments on the album where the bass jumps out of the mix at certain times, which I like. I enjoy Mosaic's mix.
     
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