Drummers

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  1. 311Providence

    311Providence Well-Known Member

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    Alright guys, need a little advice. I've been playing off and on for years, and had to give up my electric kit for years. I've still got my drum pad to mess around with. Need to brush up on my paradiddles and things of that sort. Anyone have any good exercises on the drum pad they like to keep the rust off?
     
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    311monki Well-Known Member

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    Just do this 6 times a day.

     
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    I'll get right on that. Fuck I need more sticks!
     
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    Up until last year, I had basically stopped playing for 8 years or so aside from like taking out stress a couple times a week for fun. Around January, I decided that I wanted to try to start or join a band, but I knew I had to get my chops back up. To prepare, I would do this sequence 3-4 times a week:

    All exercises done to a metronome at 60 BPM, 80 BPM, 100 BPM, 110 BPM, 120 BPM, 140 BPM, and 160 BPM unless otherwise specified *

    1. Up-Down, 2 measures each, 2 times at each tempo (alt right hand lead, left hand lead by full repetition of the sequence):

    Wholes
    Halves
    Quarters
    Eighths
    Sixteenths (single strokes)
    Sixteenths (double strokes)
    Eighths
    Quarters
    Haves
    Wholes

    2. Eighths & Sixteenths

    2 measures 8ths, 2 measures 16ths (single strokes)
    2 measures 8ths, 2 measures 16ths (dbl strokes)

    I just do this one until it feels natural at each tempo, first with right hand lead and then with left hand lead.

    3. Doubles Tempo Control* - Just double strokes up and down tempo-wise, focusing on keeping my hands loose controlling rebound (especially at the lower tempos, which I find more challenging than at the higher tempos.)

    4. Triples Tempo Control* - Same but with triple strokes.

    3's help with diddles, but this video explains why better than I can here:



    5. 5s, 7s, & 9s - Just 5, 7 and 9 stroke rolls. Alternate left and right hand leading with each roll. The goal is to get the hand-switch down without losing the tempo.

    6. Paradiddle Tempo Control* - Same with the doubles, triples, and quads, just up and down, keeping your hands loose, and controlling the bounce.

    The real key, I think, is alternating your left and right hand leading. The left hand stuff for me never sounds as good as the right hand stuff, so that discouraged me from doing it for a long time, but it really does make stuff like paradiddles much easier if you have some kind of fluidity in both hands.
     
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    Man i misjudged you in the boon thread. You..you're good you.
     
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    run_for_the_sea_ Well-Known Member

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    Always happy to talk drums/drumming. I actually am going to start that regimen up again this week to prep for a session in August. First trip to LA, first time in a pro studio since like 2001. I can't wait.
     
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    I can tell I'm not quite as far along with my drumming. I was always a choir kid, and never touched instruments. My best friends all were in band's, and we all came together because of 311. My two best friends, one being my roommate, played drums and other instruments.

    We were with another friend who played guitar, and he started to play so I just sat behind the drums. We did the transistor intro and outside of a few parts with the bass drum, I actually nailed it. The two friends who played walked in and were astonished. I thought it would all just come easily, but it's been tough actually learning how to play. I had them to help me along, but now I need to keep up my chops on my own.
     
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    I find that knowing a song really, really well makes a huge difference. I know that seems like basic common sense, but there's a lot of songs that I sit down for the first time to play, and they just come fluidly because I've heard the song so many times. That's how I learn covers, actually. I get more out of just listening to the song over and over than I do playing along with it before I know it really well.

    But in terms of technique, nothing comes easily. I think I only took about 14 or so months of lessons when I was 9/10 years old. After that, I learned by playing in bands and playing along to CDs for years and years. I developed so many bad habits doing that, that I eventually had unlearn everything I'd learned and start from scratch. Hence the exercises.

    The key is really getting down the double-strokes, because they cut your wrist movement in half for faster groupings. If you can get the point where you're playing your double stroke 16ths which the exact same wrist motion as your single stroke 8ths, you're golden.

    Also, doesn't this girl absolutely shred?



    That's my "remind yourself you're not that good" video hahaha
     
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    Juan Gris Well-Known Member

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    That girl is incredible!

    I don't know how to drum but appreciate reading you all. Carry on.
     
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    Man I was struggling today leading with my left hand. I don't know what it was, but when I got up to the 7 stroke roll, I couldn't lead with my left hand. It was the most frustrating thing ever. And I am definitely not playing in the pocket on my own. I started without the metrinome and then restarted with it. I was definitely dragging without it.
     
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    I think everybody rushes and drags without a click, even if it's in mostly imperceptible ways. Like I've played along to studio versions of songs by bands with drummers I really, really respect (like Glenn Kotche, who is incredible) and have felt them slowing down or speeding up a bit at times. What's important is that the whole thing holds together. So, I think the pocket is important, but I think it's most important to develop pocket feel with the people you're playing with.

    I used to beat myself up if I got off my click while practicing. Lots of stopping and re-starting. But now if I'm off of it I just try to keep my composure and make slight adjustments until I get back on. The benefit of the click is mostly listening to it, internalizing it. That's why they say you can tell you're on beat with a click when you can't hear it anymore. Over all that practice, whether you're on it or off of it at any given moment, you're negotiating your internal time with actual time. A lot of that happens subconsciously.

    The left hand leading stuff is a bitch. But if you can get to a point where you can do it even just OK with your left hand, that will still improve your overall playing a ton.
     
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    Senri's great. I show that video to my classes all the time. We talk about Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hrs theory. She's my example. She's been doing almost nothing but playing drums since she was like 5. I think she was 12 or 13 when that video was made.

    This is probably my all-time favorite drum video, tho:

     
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    I like warming up with a good balance exercise. 8 8th notes with your right hand, 16 notes with both hands, 8 with your left hand. Keep the pattern going back and forth.


    and then here's a thing I did
     
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    I'm onboard for anything that makes fun of blast beats.
     
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    I regret not buying a smaller burger, but go big or go home I guess
     
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    run_for_the_sea_ Well-Known Member

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    I don't personally think you should regret anything about that video, and I don't even eat meat.
     
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    How did I not see this video until just now? That was an entertaining watch. Today will be a full day of practice for me.
     
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    I was hoping there was a drummer thread around here somewhere. Even if it hasn't been active for a couple of years =D

    For as long as I have been playing, I need to learn more about the technical and recording side of drums. I'd like to configure my room into a mini studio but I have no idea what I'm doing outside of playing the kit itself. :randi:
     
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    Anyone have ideas on to perform as a one man band? I have a song that would be pretty silly if I perform it with a band.
     
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