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  1. Happy Hour Thief

    Happy Hour Thief Active Member

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    Right... Momentarily. And upon cutting off his father's mechanical hand, he examines his own mechanical hand, and in a moment of clarity tosses his light saber aside.

    Luke also said several times that he could feel the good in his father. It could be possible that he sensed NO redeemable aspect to the darkness he saw in his nephew.
     
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    The Great Danton Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say that's the case...since he stopped himself and attempted to stop Ben.
     
  3. The Great Danton

    The Great Danton Well-Known Member

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    Completely different in setting and family member.

    I'd imagine he loves his dad more than his nephew. If he killed his dad and went on to train jedi then I'm not sure why thinking about killing his dark nephew would make him go emo. It was stupid.
     
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    Ron Swanson's Mustache Well-Known Member

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    He did not have any relationship whatsoever with his father, other than discovering he was Darth Vader and not a great guy. Sorry, but if that is my only exposure to my dad I sure as shit am not going to love him.

    He likely had a relationship with Ben as he grew up and was probably close to him. There is no reason to assume that he wasn't. That's COMPLETELY different than discovering your pops is one of the most evil and powerful dudes in the galaxy. It stands to reason that his feelings were stronger for Ben than Darth at those respective moments in time.
     
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  5. The Great Danton

    The Great Danton Well-Known Member

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    lol what fucking ever

    I guess you never saw the end of RoTJ?
     
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  6. Happy Hour Thief

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    Right, but that holds true to Luke's character. He momentarily thought to kill his nephew, but then realized that would be embracing the dark side. He stopped and chose the right path as he did at the end of ROTJ.

    Also Vader killed his master to save his son and essentially be redeemed. Kylo killed his master to take his place... It might just be my humble, dumb opinion, but one certainly seems more sinister than the other.
     
  7. The Great Danton

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    No it doesn't. Luke didn't give up and that doesn't fit his character from the OT at all.
     
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  9. 311monki

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    A lot of over anal-ization going on in here.
    Can't wait for my second viewing!
     
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    The Great Danton Well-Known Member

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    Obi Wan was watching over Luke.

    As far as Yoda, fine, COOL another rehash of an old story. Come up with something new.

    Plus Yoda had spent 1,000 years defending the Jedi. They had killed everyone else and he exiled himself to wait for the right opportunity to train the right jedi.

    Completely different since Luke went there to die. Obi Wan knew Yoda was on Dagobah and when Luke came of age he was going to send him there.
     
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  11. Happy Hour Thief

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    He's not the character from the OT... his hero's journey is over. He's 30 years older and has had experiences and failures that have broken him.

    What I meant was true to his character was having momentary "dark side" thoughts before realizing what was right.

    Also OT Luke never experienced a failure like the current incarnation of Luke.
     
  12. The Great Danton

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    Failure at the cave.

    This version of Luke shouldn't be making those mistakes and that story arc is bad.

    Again, I agree with Hamill there. If you want to argue about how this storyline is "cool" or "makes sense" then save yourself the time. I would've liked to have seen Luke in a completely different situation. Hell even on the brink of the darkside would've been better.
     
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  13. Happy Hour Thief

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    Well first of all I'm not here to argue anything. I'm just throwing some shit out there. I liked a lot of stuff in the movie, and I disliked a lot of stuff in the movie.

    Secondly, I believe you've hit the nail on the head when you say you would have liked to have seen something different. This is the rub with the TLJ... it's not what people wanted, expected, etc. But what one person wants is not what another person wants, so how do you make a film that will please everyone? It becomes quite an impossible task.
     
  14. The Great Danton

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    Don’t make Leia fly for starters. Don’t create Snoke just to throw him away, don’t bring Yoda back for a broco scene and have some lightsaber duels.

    It didn’t feel like Star Wars. Impossible task lol? The Force Awakens was great.
     
  15. Ron Swanson's Mustache

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    No. Every time I watch it I turn it off a few minutes before the credits roll.
     
  16. Ron Swanson's Mustache

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    The Force Awakens was great. It was also completely unoriginal. It's cool that Johnson did something different, even though all of it didn't work.
     
  17. The Great Danton

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    I believe it because Luke tries to save his father and has the greatest heart to heart in sci-fi history. You should let it play all of the way through. Great stuff.

    I always understood that moment to mean he understands the totality of the tragedy of his father. He was good and that inspires Luke to continue on to raise the Jedi Order again.

    Then he flees the galaxy to die because of this crazy bond with his nephew..that had no explanation...no thanks.
     
  18. The Great Danton

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    There were plenty of original moments. TLJ was too different and feels extremely disconnected from the previous movie. That was sort of acceptable with the OT and PT movies but weird for a direct sequel.
     
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    Now there are no Skywalkers in a three part trilogy ultimately about the Skywalkers.

    Great
     
  20. Happy Hour Thief

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    JJ did a great job of creating a nostalgia piece to get fans excited again after the abomination that were the prequels.

    However, simply retreading the past over and over becomes stagnant and obviously unoriginal. At some point the story has to progress and break new ground. Not everyone is going to like it, not everyone is going to hate it.
     
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