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  1. Happy Hour Thief

    Happy Hour Thief Active Member

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    An interesting take on the film... for what its worth.

     
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    Kevin Smith enjoyed the movie and if you want to hear him talk about it for 90 minutes, good news. You can!

     
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    I'm 2:50 in and it doesn't sound like he liked it that much. He's just being easy on a friend (Rian Johnson).
     
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    The first 10 minutes he basically says ... since you complained that TFA was a rehash or safe, you should like the Last Jedi because it did the complete opposite. That's like saying if you don't like getting frostbite, you should be OK with getting your hand burnt. The Last Jedi is just a bad story.
     
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    Good analogous..I lol'd
     
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    You just don't want it to be that way because it makes the story even worse.

    I understand. His reaction to seeing him, etc., lends itself to it being just that. Just showing you that it's certainly more plausible than not.
     
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    jukeboxgroove Well-Known Member

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    You just want it to be that way because it makes the story worse.

    Ill go with its the first time they've talked since Luke cut himself off from the Force after Ben Solo turned.
     
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    I wanted to like this movie. I loved TFA. I don't get off on disliking this at all.

    You'd be wrong then. You've had to convince yourself that the prequels were ok and now this movie...unlike the OT because it was awesome.

    You never answered my question..what does him (Yoda) knowing Kylo as Ben have to do with that time frame?
     
  11. Ron Swanson's Mustache

    Ron Swanson's Mustache Well-Known Member

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    Some comments on the summary of that article:

    It’s hard to view The Last Jedi as anything but a failure to build on what J.J. Abrams started with the new franchise. While it was fun and exciting to watch, there was so much that left us wanting. Rey never really came to an understanding of why Luke was so disillusioned with the Jedi, just that he had failed his nephew and was haunted by that reality. She had a dark side moment, mirroring Luke in the cave on Dagobah, but it completely fell flat.

    It seemed pretty clear to me why Luke was so disillusioned and it was perfectly feasible. He momentarily considered murdering his nephew, who then proceeded to lose his shit, murder a bunch of people, and turn to the dark side. Somehow the author thinks that insignificant? Why is it so incomprehensible that Luke said "fuck this" and decided to disappear?



    Kylo killing Snoke was awful for more than one reason. Sure, it was upsetting that we never learned his backstory and that he wasn’t going to truly be the big bad of the sequel trilogy. But Han Solo’s sacrifice at the end of The Force Awakens is also now completely wasted. Han absolutely didn’t need to die, because Kylo Ren is no closer to being redeemed. He only killed Snoke because he was enraged at the suggestion that he wasn’t on track to becoming the next Darth Vader.

    Han Solo didn't make a sacrifice. He didn't call out Ben at the end of TFA with the idea that his son was going to murder him. He was hoping there was still good and to bring him home. This is pure fan expectation that because Han was killed that Ben/Ren somehow needed to be redeemed in the next movie. That's stupid. Han's death showed exactly what kind of shitbag Ren really is (plus Harrison Ford didn't want to be in any more movies). And Ren killing Snoke because he was enraged absolutely aligned with his character.
     
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    I haven't had to convince myself. I just accepted them for what they are. Theyre all still the 4 worst of all SW movies, TLJ being 3rd worst.

    Cuz midiclorians, Jar Jar, Jake Lloyd and a hatred of sand are all way worse than anything that happened in TLJ
     
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  13. jukeboxgroove

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    Agreed


    And ya, who thought Ren was going to be redeemed in VIII? That is a dumb expectation. Him killing his father pushed him further to the darkside to show Snoke his commitment. Snoke didn't care though because he was bested by Rey. Ren even said "Ive given everything I have to you" His hesitation to kill Leia is normal, it would be harder for me to kill my mom than my dad too. Ren killing Snoke definitely fits, even more so when its shown that it wasn't to turn to the Light, but to fall further to the Darkside, greed and lust for power.
     
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    Also if you want to talk about ruining an iconic character, Luke's attitude and reluctance doesn't hold a candle to the damage that Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOO" did to that character. Thanks George boy!
     
  15. Happy Hour Thief

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    It is just one person's opinion. Much like everything that is being posted here... just people's opinions.
     
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    Point 1: He went through confronting and killing his father, who was the most evil fucker in the galaxy, and decided to give up when he felt the darkside in his nephew? FUCKING STUPID!

    Point 2: Han absolutely knew that he was taking a risk by confronting his son. I disagree with that. Snoke's death was cool looking but I believe that a backstory for him was reasonable. He had the ability to turn a son against the force and his family. That is no easy task.
     
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    Point 1: He went through confronting and killing his father, who was the most evil fucker in the galaxy, and decided to give up when he felt the darkside in his nephew? FUCKING STUPID!

    He didn't remove himself because he felt the dark side in his nephew. He removed himself because he momentarily considered murdering him, which led to other innocent deaths and destruction. His reaction seems realistic to me. A lot of PTSD there.

    Point 2: Han absolutely knew that he was taking a risk by confronting his son. I disagree with that. Snoke's death was cool looking but I believe that a backstory for him was reasonable. He had the ability to turn a son against the force and his family. That is no easy task.

    That's fair to say Han knew he was taking a risk but I don't think he realistically considered his son murdering him as a possibility. I'd like a backstory on Snoke as well and hopefully that is addressed in 9. However, I find the manner in which Ren murdered him and why to be completely reasonable and fitting for the character.
     
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    He momentarily considered killing his father.
     
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    Han definitely knew that he might get killed when he yelled to Kylo.
     
  20. Ron Swanson's Mustache

    Ron Swanson's Mustache Well-Known Member

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    So? Completely different circumstances.
     

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