What if we grew 311's fan base?

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  1. SlowCrates

    SlowCrates Well-Known Member

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    This generation isn't interested in 311 because the radio and social-media savvy groups are perpetuating the "hot new shit".

    311 is trying to get on board.

    The problem is that no one likes a band that tries to get on board.

    And 311 was always far more intriguing when they were setting the tone.

    But they are horrible at picking singles. And they're probably too hit-conscious while making songs.

    They need our help. But not just in the form of criticizing their choices.

    We need to be the ones who spread the 311 gospel in order to grow our covenant.

    Otherwise 311 will remain that older dork that's always hanging out with the younger kids in order to relive their glory days.

    We can make 311 cool by hitting the streets.

    Whose with me?



    *Crickets*


    Anyone?


    *Silence*


    Where'd the crickets go?
     
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    im not with you
     
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  3. SlowCrates

    SlowCrates Well-Known Member

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    Well, hypothetically speaking, if one were too embarrassed to admit they were with me, just spit balling here...

    How might we accomplish this? :p
     
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    As we all know from the band's atrocious attempts at getting on radio, a hit single isn't happening.

    The band is going to continue to grow, simply because their existing fanbase is so large. We will have kids, nieces and nephews, neighbors. Some of us might even somehow have friends.

    Growing the fanbase of the band is kind of like when you are rich as hell, and continue to get much richer simply through interest.
     
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    But we know that's not the reality. Their base is stagnant or shrinking. They moved 311 day to a 5500 seat arena and then post 311 day tried to sell the notion they sold almost 12k tickets. No, no you really didn't, you sold 5500+ tickets that were good for 2 days, 97%+ of the crowd was the same both days. The crowds are getting smaller, they were seeking to tour with a larger band in hopes of larger exposure. They are playing more fests in attempt to get more fans.
     
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  6. robb

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    yeah but you need to ask yourself if you really are looking to stay positive and love your life. and if you are willing to kill for the privilege.
     
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    It's hard to watch sunsets in July from a club theatre's green room. The trend in attendance is heading that way, which makes for cool shows, but summer shows outside in big amphitheaters are nice, too. They had a really good run of "Unity" tours from the early-aughts through 2013, but I think a few things have worked against them since then:

    1) They tour so reliably that the less-rabid fans and the tag-along "sure, I'll go see 311 with you" fans eventually don't feel the need to go see them for the 10th (or even 5th or 6th) year in a row, especially when the new releases are mostly falling on deaf ears with those types of fans.

    2) Music today is so far afield of what 311 is doing that it's hard to gain any traction to bring in new, younger fans. If they released Amber or Love Song this year, both would probably bomb. I don't know much about what teenagers listen to these days, but I'm pretty sure it's not rock music.

    3) They now have at least three stereotypes associated with them that do them a disservice: rap-rock band, 90s band, and the Amber/Love Song band. I think a lot of people react to hearing that 311 are still a band and doing things the same way I do when I hear Smash Mouth is still a thing. Not good. It's not fair, but such is life.

    With all that said, right now it seems that 80s-style music and clothing have come back. It's cyclical. If they can hold on another 5–10 years (yikes!), maybe the kids will all start listening to late-90s-style music and they'll finally be cool again! Ha
     
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    if they give me a crap ton of evolver stickers and from chaos posters but with new album stuff i'd be ok with that
     
  9. SlowCrates

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    Yeah, if we're talking about people our age, most of them might be surprised to hear that 311 is working on their 13th album. But people who are 25 and younger often aren't familiar with 311 at all outside of a few songs. Even younger than that, forget about it.

    There's an entire generation out there that doesn't know about 311. And 311 is having a difficult time getting through to them. There's plenty of opportunity on Mosaic, but for some reason they stopped promoting the album after two singles. Maybe the industry is blocking them because the industry knows who 311 is too. Maybe it's like this: Imagine an NFL team has a stack of papers on his desk, each representing a free-agent. Their season stats are the first thing they look at. Then they look at their age. Adrian Peterson is in his 30's. Despite being a physical beast, he is looking at a very minor role on whatever team that signs him. Maybe I'm way off base on this analogy. But what if AP made a home video of himself running drills that show he's still just as fast and strong and athletic as he was his rookie year, and promoted that video all over the internet? Then fans would demand their team to sign him.

    I know the music industry isn't the same thing. But it does seem to be locked in its ways. Always looking for young, up and coming talent. Something they can get ahead of, and in some perverse way take credit for, and take advantage of. 311 is way beyond that bullshit. We, their fan base, have more influence and power over 311 than any record label.

    That's why I feel like it's our responsibility to help them more than we are. :p
     
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    DAMMIT! I was hoping for a Coln Kapernick analogy and you come with Adrian Peterson? Go get a branch off the tree!
     
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    2) Nick and SA need to make a play in the mumble rap scene. Kids today [apparently] love that shit.
     
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    If that were the case then Archive should have sold like hot cakes.
     
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  13. Scott Dotterweich

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    I imagine 311 has enough hardcore fans going every year and buying every album that they can coast for as long as they want. Even if the shows are getting smaller (I don't know), I think they're probably good, no?

    Unpopular opinion here, but I think Too Much to Think was snubbed and should've been a hit. It's a great song and very catchy. But maybe I really don't know what's popular now. >shrug< Leave your Turtles hate elsewhere, bitches, I've heard it all before. ;) I'm just saying, I agree with the comment above that if Amber and Love Song were released now, they probably would've have caught on. Dunno why, though. A lot of it seems like luck
     
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    You know it's getting bad fast when 311 plays a festival in California and Nick feels compelled to pander to them by wearing a California t-shirt.

    Once the shows dry up, so do the tours.

    We cannot let that happen.
     
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    Here's a question I've always wondered but I just don't know anything about: Do we have to be requesting their singles on radio stations in order to help get their singles exposed? Or how does that work nowadays?
     
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    Good question. I've thought for a long time that radio stations just play what they're told to play by whatever parent media company that owns them.

    But that parent media company isn't gonna tell the radio stations to play 311 singles unless someone tells them to.

    How the fuck does it work?
     
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    you have to click them on spotify i think
     
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    [​IMG]

    #1 single
     
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    Hey Miss Doesn’t Find Me Attractive Sexually Anymore! I just tripled my productivity.
     
  20. Futuredrama

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    Kids don’t listen to radio. Kids only listen to music from bands they know via Spotify and other services of that nature. If a band they like doesn’t push them towards another similar band, they will never even know they exist.

    Plus it’s a saturation and comfort thing. Everyone’s time is so fragmented and scheduled out these days, people stick with what is safe and just continue that and don’t broaden their horizons because that’s just another thing to worry about. There’s so much to consume it’s overwhelming.

    I’m not looking for the next 311 up and coming so why would young kids be looking either? They don’t fucking care, and why should they?


    311s best shot is exactly what they are doing. Play more festivals, play with other bands that will draw some fans and hope people catch a show randomly. I can tel you that playing a GH setlist at every festival show is definitely NOT the way to do it though. Show off your fucking skill, your range of styles. Down isn’t popular outside of hardcore 311, neither is AMU, Come Orignal, etc... get weird with the shows, that’s what people like.
     
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